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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://hollywoodreinvented.com/2008/06/avid-media-composer-30-first-look/comment-page-1/#comment-1082</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 03:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a nonprofit that is producing a film that has been edited on Avid.  We have one more pass to make before we lock picture.  Since it will not take much time and we&#039;d rather not buy another Avid license, we want to make the final pass on the Avid Media Compoiser free download, then bring it to another machine to do the final output. 

Please bear with me as I am not an editor--My questions: Do any problems arise when you finish working on your project file, save it to your external drives using the free Avid Media Composer download then run the project file through another Avid setup licensed to someone else to make the final tweaks and output?  Are there any Avid water marks?  Will Avid disallow you from putting your completed project from their free software onto another Avid setup for the final output?  

Many thanks, Billy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a nonprofit that is producing a film that has been edited on Avid.  We have one more pass to make before we lock picture.  Since it will not take much time and we&#8217;d rather not buy another Avid license, we want to make the final pass on the Avid Media Compoiser free download, then bring it to another machine to do the final output. </p>
<p>Please bear with me as I am not an editor&#8211;My questions: Do any problems arise when you finish working on your project file, save it to your external drives using the free Avid Media Composer download then run the project file through another Avid setup licensed to someone else to make the final tweaks and output?  Are there any Avid water marks?  Will Avid disallow you from putting your completed project from their free software onto another Avid setup for the final output?  </p>
<p>Many thanks, Billy</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://hollywoodreinvented.com/2008/06/avid-media-composer-30-first-look/comment-page-1/#comment-397</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been working on Avids since the old OS7 based composers back when they were almost the game in town. Three reasons Avid still has a lock on most major production in film and TV, one, superior media management. I work on a Talk show that uses unity and has been around for 7 years, the media organization is a constant headache and with FCP, it would be a nightmare. Secondly, most editors that have been around and that are a known quantity, are skilled in Avid. And third, every time someone asks me or someone I know, to cut for them, if it&#039;s an FCP job, they want to pay us half of what we make on an Avid gig much like when I was a cameraman when folks wanted to pay me less to shoot DV vs Beta or film.

Someday Avid may be pushed off the top of the heap but if you want a decent NY or LA gig, learn and excel in Avid just like if and when FCP or another system takes over, I will do the same.

Oh and as far as integrated packages go, they&#039;re great for small shop or home use but major productions have graphics departments with highly skilled graphic artists so that I can do what I do best... cut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been working on Avids since the old OS7 based composers back when they were almost the game in town. Three reasons Avid still has a lock on most major production in film and TV, one, superior media management. I work on a Talk show that uses unity and has been around for 7 years, the media organization is a constant headache and with FCP, it would be a nightmare. Secondly, most editors that have been around and that are a known quantity, are skilled in Avid. And third, every time someone asks me or someone I know, to cut for them, if it&#8217;s an FCP job, they want to pay us half of what we make on an Avid gig much like when I was a cameraman when folks wanted to pay me less to shoot DV vs Beta or film.</p>
<p>Someday Avid may be pushed off the top of the heap but if you want a decent NY or LA gig, learn and excel in Avid just like if and when FCP or another system takes over, I will do the same.</p>
<p>Oh and as far as integrated packages go, they&#8217;re great for small shop or home use but major productions have graphics departments with highly skilled graphic artists so that I can do what I do best&#8230; cut.</p>
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		<title>By: chris pendre</title>
		<link>http://hollywoodreinvented.com/2008/06/avid-media-composer-30-first-look/comment-page-1/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>chris pendre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you&#039;re right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you&#8217;re right.</p>
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		<title>By: Avid Media Composer 3.0 Mac - First Look &#124; Creation Engine Blog</title>
		<link>http://hollywoodreinvented.com/2008/06/avid-media-composer-30-first-look/comment-page-1/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Avid Media Composer 3.0 Mac - First Look &#124; Creation Engine Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 22:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Link via HDFilmtools.com I start putting 3.0 through it’s paces and at the risk of sounding hyperbolic, it is ROCKING. No latency, no glitchiness, (my word, Colbert) picture quality is noticeably and substantially better and the playhead is slicing through multi-layer, real-time effects and title comps like “butta”. I’ve got reels with 20 audio tracks, 3-5 video tracks, I’m deleting, re-patching, copying and pasting, I make tons of cuts and changes and Media Composer doesn’t flinch once. I start getting a warm and fuzzy feeling and think, this is a beautiful thing. These guys have really done their homework. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Link via HDFilmtools.com I start putting 3.0 through it’s paces and at the risk of sounding hyperbolic, it is ROCKING. No latency, no glitchiness, (my word, Colbert) picture quality is noticeably and substantially better and the playhead is slicing through multi-layer, real-time effects and title comps like “butta”. I’ve got reels with 20 audio tracks, 3-5 video tracks, I’m deleting, re-patching, copying and pasting, I make tons of cuts and changes and Media Composer doesn’t flinch once. I start getting a warm and fuzzy feeling and think, this is a beautiful thing. These guys have really done their homework. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: hdfilmtools</title>
		<link>http://hollywoodreinvented.com/2008/06/avid-media-composer-30-first-look/comment-page-1/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>hdfilmtools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

I agree with many (almost all) of your points, and I have no idea what motivates Avid any more than you do. All I&#039;m saying is that there are different tools for different jobs. I like doing some things more in Media Composer than FCP, and for other tasks the opposite is true. 

Finally, I think if you examined both software packages under a magnifying glass you would see they both have their strengths and weaknesses.

Keep cutting! :-)
LJ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>I agree with many (almost all) of your points, and I have no idea what motivates Avid any more than you do. All I&#8217;m saying is that there are different tools for different jobs. I like doing some things more in Media Composer than FCP, and for other tasks the opposite is true. </p>
<p>Finally, I think if you examined both software packages under a magnifying glass you would see they both have their strengths and weaknesses.</p>
<p>Keep cutting! <img src='http://hdfilmtools.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
LJ</p>
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		<title>By: chris pendre</title>
		<link>http://hollywoodreinvented.com/2008/06/avid-media-composer-30-first-look/comment-page-1/#comment-43</link>
		<dc:creator>chris pendre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mmmh, maybe i got you wrong because of my poor  english, sorry -  so you think avid has good reason to stay like it is in that functionality? Or what do you want to say? Yes, i know they&#039;re historically comming from different market segments, but what does that count on the market today? Is that a reason for Avid or an obstacle not to redesign some basic functionalities like the little &quot;i can edit sound parameters while it&#039;s playing&quot;, not to improve something? I do not see any longer this sharp separation into Highlevel(&quot;Pro&quot;) and Lowlevel(&quot;Consumer&quot;)  Market (between Avid and FCP!) - you also know there is a growing diffusion between the two markets.  

BTW: would that not be an stupid self limitation from avid to say &quot;our adressed customers mainly hand their sound over to people with pro tools, so we don&#039;t care about any improvements in that area&quot; yes, its good to have the option to hand over to a dedicatet application but is that always happens?  shurely you may right in the way avid delimit the Mediacomposers Sound Capabilities it is maybe protecting their own protools line. But hardly any Editor now would step into the sophisticated world of Protools because of its better tools for sound and scarcely any soundeditor would abdicate Protools because there would be an Avid MC which has SOME good to superb Sound Editing Features? I think that kind of fossilisation of Avids sound handling is  sad to me because it boosts my acceptance of FCP.

And BTW: the (easenes of) workflow between MC and Protools is poor. At least improvable. Sharing Projects? Tracking Changes? Why not merge Avid and Protools into one Package? There is so much potential to improve this! 

So soundediting im MC3.0 is as usual :(

 I was just looking for any improvements to the drawbacks of my favorite editing application...

Thank you  for answering

-Film Editing is not only about Pictures-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mmmh, maybe i got you wrong because of my poor  english, sorry &#8211;  so you think avid has good reason to stay like it is in that functionality? Or what do you want to say? Yes, i know they&#8217;re historically comming from different market segments, but what does that count on the market today? Is that a reason for Avid or an obstacle not to redesign some basic functionalities like the little &#8220;i can edit sound parameters while it&#8217;s playing&#8221;, not to improve something? I do not see any longer this sharp separation into Highlevel(&#8220;Pro&#8221;) and Lowlevel(&#8220;Consumer&#8221;)  Market (between Avid and FCP!) &#8211; you also know there is a growing diffusion between the two markets.  </p>
<p>BTW: would that not be an stupid self limitation from avid to say &#8220;our adressed customers mainly hand their sound over to people with pro tools, so we don&#8217;t care about any improvements in that area&#8221; yes, its good to have the option to hand over to a dedicatet application but is that always happens?  shurely you may right in the way avid delimit the Mediacomposers Sound Capabilities it is maybe protecting their own protools line. But hardly any Editor now would step into the sophisticated world of Protools because of its better tools for sound and scarcely any soundeditor would abdicate Protools because there would be an Avid MC which has SOME good to superb Sound Editing Features? I think that kind of fossilisation of Avids sound handling is  sad to me because it boosts my acceptance of FCP.</p>
<p>And BTW: the (easenes of) workflow between MC and Protools is poor. At least improvable. Sharing Projects? Tracking Changes? Why not merge Avid and Protools into one Package? There is so much potential to improve this! </p>
<p>So soundediting im MC3.0 is as usual <img src='http://hdfilmtools.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p> I was just looking for any improvements to the drawbacks of my favorite editing application&#8230;</p>
<p>Thank you  for answering</p>
<p>-Film Editing is not only about Pictures-</p>
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		<title>By: hdfilmtools</title>
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		<dc:creator>hdfilmtools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris,

While I agree with your observations regarding working with audio in FCP vs. Avid, I think you need to take into consideration that they are two very different animals. 

Many people cutting on the Avid will hand their tracks off to a sound crew to conform in ProTools, while most FCP users will need to make the tools in Final Cut Pro/Studio work for their needs. I think both companies have designed their products to try to most appropriately address their market segments. Most editors understand this. Unfortunately, cost has become the deciding factor in choosing post production tools, not functionality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris,</p>
<p>While I agree with your observations regarding working with audio in FCP vs. Avid, I think you need to take into consideration that they are two very different animals. </p>
<p>Many people cutting on the Avid will hand their tracks off to a sound crew to conform in ProTools, while most FCP users will need to make the tools in Final Cut Pro/Studio work for their needs. I think both companies have designed their products to try to most appropriately address their market segments. Most editors understand this. Unfortunately, cost has become the deciding factor in choosing post production tools, not functionality.</p>
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		<title>By: chris pendre</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris pendre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the report,

id like to ask if you could see any improvement in Audio editing/handling? For me its one of the big differencies between AVID and FCP. Its just a simple thing, but so useful: 
-in FCP the sound during scrubbing or fastforwarding in clip or timeline renders much better so i can quickly find certain lines or slates
-in FCP i can change the Volume, Pan and even position of audio clips DURING PLAY, i get used to avids behaviour in this but more fluent is audioediting in FCP!
-in both, FCP and Avid the visual Rendering of Waveforms seems to me  slower than in any Audioapplications, especially  when zooming or scrolling - would be helpful if Avid could improve that too (the speed of visualisation)

what is your impression about that in MC 3.0?

Thank you,
chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the report,</p>
<p>id like to ask if you could see any improvement in Audio editing/handling? For me its one of the big differencies between AVID and FCP. Its just a simple thing, but so useful:<br />
-in FCP the sound during scrubbing or fastforwarding in clip or timeline renders much better so i can quickly find certain lines or slates<br />
-in FCP i can change the Volume, Pan and even position of audio clips DURING PLAY, i get used to avids behaviour in this but more fluent is audioediting in FCP!<br />
-in both, FCP and Avid the visual Rendering of Waveforms seems to me  slower than in any Audioapplications, especially  when zooming or scrolling &#8211; would be helpful if Avid could improve that too (the speed of visualisation)</p>
<p>what is your impression about that in MC 3.0?</p>
<p>Thank you,<br />
chris</p>
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		<title>By: Avid Blog for Media Composer 3.0 On Leopard &#171; Key Code Media Online Community</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avid Blog for Media Composer 3.0 On Leopard &#171; Key Code Media Online Community</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 18:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The following portion of this blog came from HDFilmtools.com. This Avid Blog is on the MediaComposer C 3.0 on Leopard release. For the full blog, check out http://hdfilmtools.com/?p=49. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The following portion of this blog came from HDFilmtools.com. This Avid Blog is on the MediaComposer C 3.0 on Leopard release. For the full blog, check out <a href="http://hdfilmtools.com/?p=49" rel="nofollow">http://hdfilmtools.com/?p=49</a>. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan Reeve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dylan Reeve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry, what Quicktime codec would that be? One of the many Apple codecs that are only available to Final Cut Pro users? Try using ProRes on a non Final Cut Pro system - and it doesn&#039;t even exist for Windows.  Avid&#039;s DNxHD is even a ratified SMPTE standard.

Avid&#039;s Quicktime codecs are available as a free download from their website and can be supported on any Quicktime capable application. Avid only supports their native codecs for reasons of media management and performance, but in the majority of professional editing environments that presents no problem. 

While there may be a wait for import of non-supported formats in Avid, that delay is only once and at the safer end of production. In FCP the same codecs would likely require extensive rendering to be able to play out - putting the delays at the deadline-end of the job. Plus minor changes to timelines or changes of output format will require entirely new renders. Once a clip is in an Avid codec it will stay that way and does require any further rendering for output.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, what Quicktime codec would that be? One of the many Apple codecs that are only available to Final Cut Pro users? Try using ProRes on a non Final Cut Pro system &#8211; and it doesn&#8217;t even exist for Windows.  Avid&#8217;s DNxHD is even a ratified SMPTE standard.</p>
<p>Avid&#8217;s Quicktime codecs are available as a free download from their website and can be supported on any Quicktime capable application. Avid only supports their native codecs for reasons of media management and performance, but in the majority of professional editing environments that presents no problem. </p>
<p>While there may be a wait for import of non-supported formats in Avid, that delay is only once and at the safer end of production. In FCP the same codecs would likely require extensive rendering to be able to play out &#8211; putting the delays at the deadline-end of the job. Plus minor changes to timelines or changes of output format will require entirely new renders. Once a clip is in an Avid codec it will stay that way and does require any further rendering for output.</p>
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